On 7/15/2020 at 6:51 PM, ZenRowe said:
So the BabyImprintAmountMultiplier,
The idea behind it was this: You can scale and tweak the cuddle interval & maturation timesas you would before, the BabyImprintAmountMuiplier works on top of that to give you the ability to make imprinting less strict about being perfectly on time for all of the cuddle windows.
say you want to make it so they player only has to hit half the windows? just set the imprint amount multiplier to 2.0The imprint amount multiplier does not affect the number of cuddle windows you get, just the amount of imprinting you get from each one. It is impacted by the CuddleIntervalMultiplier, but not the other way around
Which is a great addition in general, but unfortunately rather inconsistent. For example, let's say I use singalty's settings:
BabyMatureSpeedMultiplier=16BabyCuddleIntervalMultiplier=0.125The imprinting progression of an Anky/Ravager/Sheep/etc would then be:
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Total maturation: 3 hours, 2 minutes, 44 seconds
Cuddles required: 3
Cuddles percentage: 33.333333333333336
Cuddle interval: 1 hours
Imprinting progression:
- Imprint #1:
Precise: 33.333333333333336%
Networked: 33.3333%
Displayed: 33%
Maturation left: 2 hours, 2 minutes, 44 seconds.
- Imprint #2:
Precise: 66.66666666666667%
Networked: 66.6667%
Displayed: 67%
Maturation left: 1 hours, 2 minutes, 44 seconds.
- Imprint #3:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 2 minutes, 44 seconds.
Which gives 2m44s / 3 = ~54 seconds do to each imprint. Which is a bit tight, so to give more spare time I would have to set the BabyImprintAmountMultiplier setting to at least 1.5. Which is the minimum I could set for those, otherwise it wouldn't change anything due to the rounding. Now those species have more spare time, but this means longer raises are also affected. For example, Giga/Tuso/Mosa would then have the following progression:
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Total maturation: 17 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds
Cuddles required: 17
Cuddles percentage: 8.823529411764707
Cuddle interval: 1 hours
Imprinting progression:
- Imprint #1:
Precise: 8.823529411764707%
Networked: 8.8235%
Displayed: 9%
Maturation left: 16 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #2:
Precise: 17.647058823529413%
Networked: 17.6471%
Displayed: 18%
Maturation left: 15 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #3:
Precise: 26.47058823529412%
Networked: 26.4706%
Displayed: 26%
Maturation left: 14 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #4:
Precise: 35.294117647058826%
Networked: 35.2941%
Displayed: 35%
Maturation left: 13 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #5:
Precise: 44.117647058823536%
Networked: 44.1176%
Displayed: 44%
Maturation left: 12 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #6:
Precise: 52.94117647058824%
Networked: 52.9412%
Displayed: 53%
Maturation left: 11 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #7:
Precise: 61.76470588235294%
Networked: 61.7647%
Displayed: 62%
Maturation left: 10 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #8:
Precise: 70.58823529411765%
Networked: 70.5882%
Displayed: 71%
Maturation left: 9 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #9:
Precise: 79.41176470588236%
Networked: 79.4118%
Displayed: 79%
Maturation left: 8 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #10:
Precise: 88.23529411764707%
Networked: 88.2353%
Displayed: 88%
Maturation left: 7 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #11:
Precise: 97.05882352941177%
Networked: 97.0588%
Displayed: 97%
Maturation left: 6 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #12:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 5 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #13:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 4 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #14:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 3 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #15:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 2 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #16:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 1 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #17:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
Which means to give more spare time to small ones, I have to give away much much more to large ones, etc. Sure I could start tweaking the maturation and interval multipliers to find a spot where I don't have to give 150% per imprint, but chances are that any combinations that would be perfect for those 2 cases would render other species in that same exact spot bringing me to square one. An idea and universal solution, in my opinion, would be an additional setting that allows us to define the minimum amount of time players should have to do each imprint as SAS and I discussed here:
cuddle_required = floor(total_maturation / ((28800 * BabyCuddleIntervalMultiplier) + BabyImprintSpareSeconds))
With such setting set to, for example, 300 and the same configuration as above (16x maturation, 0.125x interval, 1x imprint amount), the Anky/etc would have the following progression:
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Total maturation: 3 hours, 2 minutes, 44 seconds
Cuddles required: 2
Cuddles percentage: 50.0
Cuddle interval: 1 hours
Imprinting progression:
- Imprint #1:
Precise: 50.0%
Networked: 50.0%
Displayed: 50%
Maturation left: 2 hours, 2 minutes, 44 seconds.
- Imprint #2:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 1 hours, 2 minutes, 44 seconds.
Since there was not enough time to make 3 imprints into the remaining 2m44s, the amount of cuddle dropped from 3 to 2 to accommodate for the configured 5 minutes per imprint. And the imprinting of Giga/etc would then be:
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Total maturation: 17 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds
Cuddles required: 16
Cuddles percentage: 6.25
Cuddle interval: 1 hours
Imprinting progression:
- Imprint #1:
Precise: 6.25%
Networked: 6.25%
Displayed: 6%
Maturation left: 16 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #2:
Precise: 12.5%
Networked: 12.5%
Displayed: 12%
Maturation left: 15 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #3:
Precise: 18.75%
Networked: 18.75%
Displayed: 19%
Maturation left: 14 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #4:
Precise: 25.0%
Networked: 25.0%
Displayed: 25%
Maturation left: 13 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #5:
Precise: 31.25%
Networked: 31.25%
Displayed: 31%
Maturation left: 12 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #6:
Precise: 37.5%
Networked: 37.5%
Displayed: 38%
Maturation left: 11 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #7:
Precise: 43.75%
Networked: 43.75%
Displayed: 44%
Maturation left: 10 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #8:
Precise: 50.0%
Networked: 50.0%
Displayed: 50%
Maturation left: 9 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #9:
Precise: 56.25%
Networked: 56.25%
Displayed: 56%
Maturation left: 8 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #10:
Precise: 62.5%
Networked: 62.5%
Displayed: 62%
Maturation left: 7 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #11:
Precise: 68.75%
Networked: 68.75%
Displayed: 69%
Maturation left: 6 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #12:
Precise: 75.0%
Networked: 75.0%
Displayed: 75%
Maturation left: 5 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #13:
Precise: 81.25%
Networked: 81.25%
Displayed: 81%
Maturation left: 4 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #14:
Precise: 87.5%
Networked: 87.5%
Displayed: 88%
Maturation left: 3 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #15:
Precise: 93.75%
Networked: 93.75%
Displayed: 94%
Maturation left: 2 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
- Imprint #16:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 1 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds.
Dropping from 17 to 16 cuddles required because there was not enough time remaining to do the 17, etc. This is consistent, universal, and much more precise than trying to find multipliers that works for all species. This would guarantee each imprint have at least the set amount of time to be made, which would not be randomized depending of the total maturation of each species.
Not only this would offer much more flexibility and precise results on unofficials, this could also be used on officials to ensure people have enough time to make their imprint. For example, I couldn't tell how many threads I've seen about people complaining about not being able to 100% imprint Gigas on officials. The imprinting progression of a Giga with default settings is:
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Total maturation: 11 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds
Cuddles required: 35
Cuddles percentage: 2.857142857142857
Cuddle interval: 8 hours
Imprinting progression:
- Imprint #1:
Precise: 2.857142857142857%
Networked: 2.8571%
Displayed: 3%
Maturation left: 11 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #2:
Precise: 5.714285714285714%
Networked: 5.7143%
Displayed: 6%
Maturation left: 11 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #3:
Precise: 8.571428571428571%
Networked: 8.5714%
Displayed: 9%
Maturation left: 10 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #4:
Precise: 11.428571428571429%
Networked: 11.4286%
Displayed: 11%
Maturation left: 10 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #5:
Precise: 14.285714285714286%
Networked: 14.2857%
Displayed: 14%
Maturation left: 10 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #6:
Precise: 17.142857142857142%
Networked: 17.1429%
Displayed: 17%
Maturation left: 9 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #7:
Precise: 20.0%
Networked: 20.0%
Displayed: 20%
Maturation left: 9 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #8:
Precise: 22.857142857142858%
Networked: 22.8571%
Displayed: 23%
Maturation left: 9 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #9:
Precise: 25.714285714285715%
Networked: 25.7143%
Displayed: 26%
Maturation left: 8 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #10:
Precise: 28.571428571428573%
Networked: 28.5714%
Displayed: 29%
Maturation left: 8 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #11:
Precise: 31.42857142857143%
Networked: 31.4286%
Displayed: 31%
Maturation left: 8 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #12:
Precise: 34.285714285714285%
Networked: 34.2857%
Displayed: 34%
Maturation left: 7 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #13:
Precise: 37.142857142857146%
Networked: 37.1429%
Displayed: 37%
Maturation left: 7 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #14:
Precise: 40.0%
Networked: 40.0%
Displayed: 40%
Maturation left: 7 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #15:
Precise: 42.85714285714286%
Networked: 42.8571%
Displayed: 43%
Maturation left: 6 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #16:
Precise: 45.714285714285715%
Networked: 45.7143%
Displayed: 46%
Maturation left: 6 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #17:
Precise: 48.57142857142857%
Networked: 48.5714%
Displayed: 49%
Maturation left: 6 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #18:
Precise: 51.42857142857143%
Networked: 51.4286%
Displayed: 51%
Maturation left: 5 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #19:
Precise: 54.285714285714285%
Networked: 54.2857%
Displayed: 54%
Maturation left: 5 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #20:
Precise: 57.142857142857146%
Networked: 57.1429%
Displayed: 57%
Maturation left: 5 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #21:
Precise: 60.0%
Networked: 60.0%
Displayed: 60%
Maturation left: 4 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #22:
Precise: 62.85714285714286%
Networked: 62.8571%
Displayed: 63%
Maturation left: 4 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #23:
Precise: 65.71428571428572%
Networked: 65.7143%
Displayed: 66%
Maturation left: 4 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #24:
Precise: 68.57142857142857%
Networked: 68.5714%
Displayed: 69%
Maturation left: 3 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #25:
Precise: 71.42857142857143%
Networked: 71.4286%
Displayed: 71%
Maturation left: 3 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #26:
Precise: 74.28571428571429%
Networked: 74.2857%
Displayed: 74%
Maturation left: 3 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #27:
Precise: 77.14285714285714%
Networked: 77.1429%
Displayed: 77%
Maturation left: 2 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #28:
Precise: 80.0%
Networked: 80.0%
Displayed: 80%
Maturation left: 2 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #29:
Precise: 82.85714285714286%
Networked: 82.8571%
Displayed: 83%
Maturation left: 2 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #30:
Precise: 85.71428571428572%
Networked: 85.7143%
Displayed: 86%
Maturation left: 1 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #31:
Precise: 88.57142857142857%
Networked: 88.5714%
Displayed: 89%
Maturation left: 1 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #32:
Precise: 91.42857142857143%
Networked: 91.4286%
Displayed: 91%
Maturation left: 1 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #33:
Precise: 94.28571428571429%
Networked: 94.2857%
Displayed: 94%
Maturation left: 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #34:
Precise: 97.14285714285714%
Networked: 97.1429%
Displayed: 97%
Maturation left: 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #35:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
Which means that you have 1 minute to make each imprint otherwise you fall behind and cannot achieve more than 97%. This can be very hard on high populated servers, especially if they are asking for walk because not only the tick at which dinos start following you is delayed, the tick at which it perform its walk check is as well. I've seen walk taking forever and much more than 1 minute. So yeah, with such setting also set to 300, the progression would drop to 34 imprints required:
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Total maturation: 11 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds
Cuddles required: 34
Cuddles percentage: 2.9411764705882355
Cuddle interval: 8 hours
Imprinting progression:
- Imprint #1:
Precise: 2.9411764705882355%
Networked: 2.9412%
Displayed: 3%
Maturation left: 11 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #2:
Precise: 5.882352941176471%
Networked: 5.8824%
Displayed: 6%
Maturation left: 11 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #3:
Precise: 8.823529411764707%
Networked: 8.8235%
Displayed: 9%
Maturation left: 10 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #4:
Precise: 11.764705882352942%
Networked: 11.7647%
Displayed: 12%
Maturation left: 10 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #5:
Precise: 14.705882352941178%
Networked: 14.7059%
Displayed: 15%
Maturation left: 10 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #6:
Precise: 17.647058823529413%
Networked: 17.6471%
Displayed: 18%
Maturation left: 9 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #7:
Precise: 20.58823529411765%
Networked: 20.5882%
Displayed: 21%
Maturation left: 9 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #8:
Precise: 23.529411764705884%
Networked: 23.5294%
Displayed: 24%
Maturation left: 9 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #9:
Precise: 26.47058823529412%
Networked: 26.4706%
Displayed: 26%
Maturation left: 8 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #10:
Precise: 29.411764705882355%
Networked: 29.4118%
Displayed: 29%
Maturation left: 8 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #11:
Precise: 32.352941176470594%
Networked: 32.3529%
Displayed: 32%
Maturation left: 8 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #12:
Precise: 35.294117647058826%
Networked: 35.2941%
Displayed: 35%
Maturation left: 7 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #13:
Precise: 38.23529411764706%
Networked: 38.2353%
Displayed: 38%
Maturation left: 7 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #14:
Precise: 41.1764705882353%
Networked: 41.1765%
Displayed: 41%
Maturation left: 7 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #15:
Precise: 44.117647058823536%
Networked: 44.1176%
Displayed: 44%
Maturation left: 6 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #16:
Precise: 47.05882352941177%
Networked: 47.0588%
Displayed: 47%
Maturation left: 6 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #17:
Precise: 50.0%
Networked: 50.0%
Displayed: 50%
Maturation left: 6 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #18:
Precise: 52.94117647058824%
Networked: 52.9412%
Displayed: 53%
Maturation left: 5 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #19:
Precise: 55.88235294117648%
Networked: 55.8824%
Displayed: 56%
Maturation left: 5 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #20:
Precise: 58.82352941176471%
Networked: 58.8235%
Displayed: 59%
Maturation left: 5 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #21:
Precise: 61.76470588235294%
Networked: 61.7647%
Displayed: 62%
Maturation left: 4 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #22:
Precise: 64.70588235294119%
Networked: 64.7059%
Displayed: 65%
Maturation left: 4 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #23:
Precise: 67.64705882352942%
Networked: 67.6471%
Displayed: 68%
Maturation left: 4 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #24:
Precise: 70.58823529411765%
Networked: 70.5882%
Displayed: 71%
Maturation left: 3 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #25:
Precise: 73.52941176470588%
Networked: 73.5294%
Displayed: 74%
Maturation left: 3 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #26:
Precise: 76.47058823529412%
Networked: 76.4706%
Displayed: 76%
Maturation left: 3 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #27:
Precise: 79.41176470588236%
Networked: 79.4118%
Displayed: 79%
Maturation left: 2 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #28:
Precise: 82.3529411764706%
Networked: 82.3529%
Displayed: 82%
Maturation left: 2 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #29:
Precise: 85.29411764705883%
Networked: 85.2941%
Displayed: 85%
Maturation left: 2 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #30:
Precise: 88.23529411764707%
Networked: 88.2353%
Displayed: 88%
Maturation left: 1 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #31:
Precise: 91.1764705882353%
Networked: 91.1765%
Displayed: 91%
Maturation left: 1 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #32:
Precise: 94.11764705882354%
Networked: 94.1176%
Displayed: 94%
Maturation left: 1 days, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #33:
Precise: 97.05882352941177%
Networked: 97.0588%
Displayed: 97%
Maturation left: 16 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
- Imprint #34:
Precise: 100%
Networked: 100%
Displayed: 100%
Maturation left: 8 hours, 35 minutes, 1 seconds.
This sound easy to implement with the current system and would be a much more suited fix for strict imprint than that new multiplier in my opinion.
Another issue that I've seen reported a lot is species not being able to be imprinted at all during breeding events. For example, if breeding multiplier is 3x, (which is usually the breeding rates of breeding events on officials) any species that usually takes 23:59:59 to mature or less won't have a chance to receive a single imprint because their total maturation falls under 8 hours. A solution to this as we previously discussed, could be to allow that single imprint as soon as the baby is claimed when the total maturation is less than a single interval.
